20 THU NOV 08

The Rhetoric Unit, Day 2

  • Revision—Rhetoric
    • Includes In-Class Rhetoric Exercise
    • Located in Lectures/Revision/Revision—Rhetoric
  • Rebuttal In-Class Workshop by Request
    • Wayward SundialI’d like to workshop on my rebuttal once more, as well as tie together the loose ends of my other essays to round up what you wanted me to do, wherein I have to change the focus of my entire white page to the dispersants. I don’t exactly know if I should toss out the other pieces of info I have out the window, if I can still use them, or if I can make a blend of them so that my essay can be the best it can with the topic.
    • BeachGirl04I’d like to workshop on my rebuttal Thursday. I feel as if my refutation was strong but I think it should be stronger and changing up a few words will make it stronger.
    • AlpacaQueenI’d like to workshop on a paragraph from my rebuttal. I think I have refuted many arguments well, but I’m not sure I have given the opposing points of view much respect for addressing why they believe they are correct.
    • JokerTheFoolMy Causal Essay is in need of some improvement. I feel like I spend a lot of time just “saying things”, but not really arguing anything.
    • KevinBaconIt would be helpful to workshop on a paragraph from my rebuttal. I have some strong points and refutations in my rebuttal, but I believe there is more to add to improve the overall argument. I’m not sure if I have explained the opposing side to my argument thoroughly, and proved how they could be right.
    • BeachGirl6I’d like to have a workshop for my rebuttal argument. I think I have some strong points and facts, but I could use some help to improve my argument. I want to make sure both sides are represented.

28 thoughts on “20 THU NOV 08”

  1. -Be clear.
    -Do not send off in other directions, will get off topic.
    -Draw conclusions from the details you are using.
    -Each detail should be an argument.

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  2. The primary focus of today was revisions, such as ways to go about it alongside essential aspects that coincide with revisions such as rhetoric. Reviewed the notion that argument and rhetoric are inseparable, as you cannot describe one without the other. Clarity is super important in all forms of writing, and that was a big topic in revising student’s essays, as being both clear and concise is a big determining factor in if a paper will be effective in proving a point, and not cluttered by unnecessary words.

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  3. Being clear is the number one rhetorical agenda!
    First step to revisions for rhetoric is to clean up the language.
    Next step is to increase the premise or point that you want to make.
    Then, add context and perspective.

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  4. Notes:

    Rhetoric revision

    Uncorrected drafts suffer from imprecise language that inhibits interpretation.
    Highlighting can help corrections. Two colors are needed to call out individual phrases.
    Phrases can be corrected to sound more thoughtful or educational.
    Guide the reader to draw conclusions.
    Corrected drafts make clearer statements that are easier to interpret.
    Rhetorically effective drafts persuade readers to accept premise.
    Rhetorically effective arguments prove more complex theses.
    Dispersants- The chemicals we dump on an oil spill to break it down
    We can make our writing much more simplistic rather than losing our readers focus. Sometimes it doesn’t make sense. Just get the point across and inform.

    Information
    Evidence
    Validation

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  5. – The revision rhetoric page link is now located on the date of November 8, 2018

    – You cant describe your fist without mentioning fingers is the same as writing a rhetoric without mentioning an argument. They should go hand in hand.

    – Try to be clear within an essay, especially try to be clear in a rhetorical strategy.

    – Make sure all sentences are the same tense, try not to distract your reader from the main point.

    – Use the link revision-rhetoric to see examples of paragraphs that have been later touched up after they used meaningless words and distractions

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  6. Nov. 8 Notes
    -Argument and Rhetoric are inseparable. The best arguments use the best rhetoric choices.
    -Clarity is the most important rhetorical device.
    -“In my opinion” delegitimizes the argument.
    – Stay away from words or phrases that distract the attention of the reader.
    -Don’t legitimize the rebutting arguments, state right away that they are misconceptions.

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  7. – The best way to make a good argument is to include rhetoric. Arguments and rhetoric are inseparable.
    – When writing informal or slightly formal papers, it is assumed that the arguments made are based on personal opinions unless it is mentioned that it is someone else’s opinion. Our arguments are less credible when we say “In my opinion.”
    – Rhetorical choices:
    1. Present strong rhetorical clarity when making arguments. Get to the essence of your argument.
    2. Every sentence should contribute to the development of your argument.
    3. The first sentence of a paper should be as clear as possible.

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  8. – The best way to employ an argument is to have great word choice and follow a sequence or outline.
    – If you’re really good, your first draft is really good. Mostly, the first draft is throwing words around and then adding rhetorical choice.
    – If you have a good source, but not liking their language, then paraphrasing the author is a strong rhetorical choice. To express ourselves, we can change the authors choice.
    – We can take an argument and use a paragraph to lay our facts to make the reader think and draw a conclusion. You can also tell the reader what to think before hand, which is a great rhetorical choice. Rhetorical choices are tiny things that readers think about and notice.
    – A careful reader can be a far reader.
    -Choice #1: Be clear. Without clarity, nothing occurs. It is the very first rhetorical choice. Writing needs good and strong rhetorical choices.
    – Good writing explains what they are talking about. Not everything is common knowledge and obvious. We don’t know whether we are accepting what we are told or we are actually knowledgable.

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  9. -No need for extraneous words and phrases in an attempt to sound more academic
    -Reviewing other students work is helpful because I make the some of the same mistakes in my own work, so I’m able to transfer these techniques

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  10. -be straight to your topic other wise it will go off-topic.
    -Highlighting with different colors can help corrections with your work.
    -Phrases can be corrected to sound more and more thoughtful.
    -Guide the reader to draw towards conclusions.
    -the purpose of rhetoric is not to sound fancy.
    -You shouldn’t describe your fist without mentioning fingers is the same as writing a rhetoric without mentioning an argument. They should go hand in hand.
    -all the sentences should be in the same tense, if not then it may distract your readers from the main point.
    -to be understood is the first rule for a rhetoric.
    -Good writing explains what they are talking about. Not everything is common knowledge and obvious. and also it is not known that our readers know about the topic on which we are talking about.
    -each detail should be an argument.
    -don’t use phrases or words which can distract your readers.

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    1. yes it was very useful because by seeing others we can be prevented from making mistakes.
      and also according to me it is a good way to learn.

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  11. November 8th:
    • Argument and Rhetoric are inseperable
    • First rule of rhetoric is to be understood
    • Word choice is important when trying to make an argument.
    • If we find a good source but do not like the wording, if it is too challenging then paraphrase.
    • There is no need to put words in to fluff something up when you can get a good idea across in 2 sentences compared to 6. It will give us more room in our 3000- word essay to get other good ideas across.
    • The rhetoric in class workshop in my opinion was helpful because I feel as if we are all making mistakes in our writing and we can learn from looking at other students work to improve our own writing. I think we should do this more often to help us with the revision process.
    • Rhetorical questions are loaded guns, they wound people. Get rid of them. Use claims instead.

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  12. -Reviewing other students work helps a lot with my own work because I am able to recognize some of my own academic writing errors and then fix them.
    -rethorical chooses
    -The very first rool of rethoric is to be understood.
    -Do not send readers to the wrong direction by using neithles emphasizes extra words , but carefully examine the words we use in writing to make sure our readers will not get distracted by them.

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  13. The first rule of rhetoric is to be understood!!!
    Get your point across in a couple of sentences; there is no need to fluff up sentences to make them lengthy.
    Make sure the readers aren’t getting sent the wrong direction when reading an essay by adding extra words.

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  14. 11/8/18

    REVISION
    Today we observed Professor Hodge revise numerous student’s rebuttals; it gave a good insight on how tough first drafts can be to write as well as to read

    -Make sure what you are writing not only sounds good in conversation. but is comprehendable on paper and grammatically correct.
    -Don’t leave out needed information! (you can’t talk about your fist without talking about your fingers)
    -Organize your writing into categories so that the reader is on board when you talk about each group.
    -Again, commas always stay inside quotation marks
    -First drafts can be a shame, but that’s why they’re first drafts 🙂
    -You really can’t prove anything if your sentences don’t make sense…
    -The reason we talk about and excercise revising so much in class is because it is an essential skill to have to be able to improve your writing.

    I find that when I am writing my own “first drafts,” my main focus is making sure each sentence makes sense (they are factual and grammaticaly correct) and then when revising, I usually see a big mess; and it is a shame because the point I am so passionately trying to make is not being displayed properly and therfore not understood.

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  15. 11-8-18

    Rhetoric
    “The purpose of rhetoric is to shape language to persuade, to drag emotion or a logical conclusion from readers.”
    -Argument and rhetoric go hand-in-hand
    -The first rule of rhetoric is to be understood
    -Imagine as though you are guiding your readers towards the argument you are going to discuss, keep them focused
    -Be clear on what you emphasize
    -Persuade your readers to accept your premise
    -Be brief and clear: Don’t give your reader time to disagree

    Rhetoric In-Class Workshop was very useful, lots of large and small corrections made, some of which I otherwise wouldn’t have considered.

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  16. Rhetoric Unit day 2. Professor Hodges is going to rip apart students’ essays now. We are learning from other students mistakes. Do not use the word amount, use the word number. I found this class very useful because now I know certain things to avoid when writing.

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  17. The very first rule of rhetoric is to be understood

    Maintain interest

    Be clear when writing my essay. Don’t confuse the reader by contradicting myself

    The first sentence of any essay should be as clear as possible.

    Narrow the focus to one topic in a paragraph

    Focus and reorganize paragraphs to contain one central point

    It’s not, “an amount of people,” it’s, “a number of people”
    People are many and few

    Rain is, “an amount of rain”
    Rain can be much, more, or less

    Stay away from rhetorical questions unless you are a marksman with it

    If you just want to know, you’re an information seeker.

    If you want to look for proof or facts, you’re an evidence seeker.

    If you just need to prove someone wrong, you’re a validation seeker.

    3 or 4 sentences wasted could have a negative effect on your essay and cause the reader to lose interest.

    If found today’s lecture pretty useful. I’d appreciate it being done again.

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  18. 11/8/18

    Rhetoric Day 2

    Rhetoric is used to shape language to persuade. Used to get a logical conclusion out of reader. The words we chose out of any word is rhetorical. Sequence in which we spell out the details.

    Does is a distraction word. Does doesn’t need to be used if no one is refuting it in the first place. Focus our readers attention not disperse it. Carefully exam language to make sure it does not distract our reader.

    Make bold categorical claims each step of the way. Want to make the writing more like a tour guide to help the reader.

    Picking apart and analyzing the first drafts in class was very helpful. I’d like to do it again in class because it showed how the professor would go about editing the paper. It brought many edits to my attention that I would not have found on my own. This exercise provided useful insight.

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  19. Rhetoric
    -Argument and rhetoric are inseparable
    –Hard to describe a fist without fingers
    -Can’t describe rhetoric without talking about the argument(vice versa)
    -Strong rhetorical choices:
    –Paraphrasing an author to provide your own words
    –Be clear(clarity is important)
    –Don’t get caught up in little details that take away from your purpose
    –Don’t overwrite or over clarify claims
    I thought going over classmates rebuttals was helpful. It gave me a better understanding of the assignment and what I need to work on in my paper.

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  20. -the point of rhetoric is to make the reader understand whatever it is you want to portray
    -If you’re trying to describe to someone the beauty of the Eiffel Tower, you want to use descriptive but advancing language that can actually make the presence of the tower felt
    -if you are categorizing groups of people or things inside an essay be sure to label and name the groups within the essay
    -if you are going to refute an argument, make sure the evidence being used to refute it actually helps your argument, and doesn’t disprove jt

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  21. -Analyzing the drafts in class made me realize that I have some work to do even though my draft wasn’t talked about.
    -You have to be specific or else the reader is going to be confused on what you’re trying to portray in the writing.
    -Don’t side track to other things that don’t help the flow of your essay continue.

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  22. -rhetoric helps language to bring out emotion and logical conclusions out of readers
    -sequence in how we tell details are rhetorical choices
    -first rule of rhetoric is to be understood
    -last thing you want to do is distract reader with different types of language. You want to point the reader in the right direction
    -the little extra words that distract the reader’s attention is dispersing the reader’s attention all over the place
    -don’t be like a tour guide and say things in a random order. Make the framework clear. Make a clear path
    -don’t give readers time to agree. The more time you explain yourself, the more time they’ll have to disagree
    -condense multiple points into one or two sentences
    -name the groups, don’t say “they are”
    -I though this workshop was helpful, as I got to know what my classmates thought of my work as well as the professor
    -I know now to organize my thoughts in a clearer way

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